tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post115221528993253036..comments2023-07-01T06:21:23.426-04:00Comments on Torah, Science, Et Al.: RambamUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-27104968464738102742011-10-27T20:29:57.703-04:002011-10-27T20:29:57.703-04:00Anonymous--
I understand how you are reading the ...Anonymous--<br /><br />I understand how you are reading the text and you have a legitimate argument. I prefer my interpretation of the text, where "va-afilu noda lanu" means "even if we are convinced" (which allows for the possibility of error), rather than "even if we know for certain" (which does not allow for error), because according to you/Chazon Ish, the Rambam is leaving out a central and non-obvious (especially for him) piece of information -- that nature changed between the time of Chazal and his era. But this is why I classified the source in question as merely "suggestive."DEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795113792190583167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-5178911392140237512011-10-27T12:55:43.834-04:002011-10-27T12:55:43.834-04:00Actually you should notice that the Rambam himself...Actually you should notice that the Rambam himself in this very piece seems to mention that the facts might not be like what seems to be so according to science. In the firsth paragraph he writes that the animal will continue living despite our medical knowledge that it won't. The words don't seem to be referring to the contention of the Jewish Sages because there is no SHE-efshar or DE-efshar. If so, the Chazon Ish is most certainly correct and well supported by the text.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-1156975858086303562006-08-30T18:10:00.001-04:002006-08-30T18:10:00.001-04:00It sounds like the Chazon Ish is assuming that acc...It sounds like the Chazon Ish is assuming that according to Rambam, the conditions rendering an animal incapable of living more than a year changed from the time of Chazal to Rambam's time. With all due respect to the Chazon Ish, I don't see any hint to that idea in the Rambam. To me the Rambam seems to imply that Chazal's veterinarians had less advanced veterinary knowledge than did those in his own time, and that consequently, certain conditions that really do not - in theory - render an animal tereifah were ruled by Chazal to do so; but that despite the post-Chazal advances in veterinary science, Chazal's rulings in this matter are still binding, because of "Al pi hatorah asher yorucha." <BR/><BR/>This reading of the Rambam is quite consistent with Rambam's attitude toward Chazal and science, as evidenced by the other sources in this post.DEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795113792190583167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-1156973784845568532006-08-30T17:36:00.000-04:002006-08-30T17:36:00.000-04:00regarding the Rambam in Hilchos Shechitah, please ...regarding the Rambam in Hilchos Shechitah, please note that the chazon ish (I think in yoreh daeh chapter 5:3) explains the Rambam to mean that the Torah fixed treifos according what was a treifah then,not now.<BR/><BR/>so that Rambam would not be relevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-1155664412132364112006-08-15T13:53:00.000-04:002006-08-15T13:53:00.000-04:00Now I understand. Thanks.Now I understand. Thanks.DEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795113792190583167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21083596.post-1153192897262949182006-07-17T23:21:00.000-04:002006-07-17T23:21:00.000-04:00Could you elaborate? The chapter is obviously rel...Could you elaborate? The chapter is obviously relevant to the general topic, but I think it neither belongs in this list nor contradicts it. What do you have in mind?DEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795113792190583167noreply@blogger.com